Archive for May, 2008
 
This is not an abstract question: Are you willing to suffer?
Posted by Chris Roberts on May 20th, 2008 at 8:38 am.
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As the title says, this is not a question in the abstract. This is not something to mull over in a corner of the brain disconnected from our existence.

Are you willing to suffer for the cause of Christ? Are you willing to put your income, your family’s income, at risk for Christ? Are you willing to risk prison and stoning and burning and mutilation for the cause of Christ? Christians throughout the ages have been faced with this question and for most of them it was in their face, an immediately relevant question. 

Believers in America rarely have to suffer for their faith. I believe the day is not far off when that will start to change. What are we willing to sacrifice for Christ? What are we willing to put at risk for Christ? How much will I lay on the line? And will I be ready when the day of trial and testing comes?

Lord, make me ready.

Posted in: Christian Living
Catholics and Obama
Posted by Chris Roberts on May 20th, 2008 at 8:30 am.
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Don’t worry, I’m not planning a stream of anti-Obama posts. But this caught my eye this morning from the First Things blog: Thoughts on “Roman Catholics for Obama ’08″.

Basically, the author writes that there may be moments when pro-life individuals can be justified in voting for pro-choice candidates, but the reason for doing so must be clear and compelling. He says:

But [Catholics who support pro-choice candidates] also need a compelling proportionate reason to justify it. What is a “proportionate” reason when it comes to the abortion issue? It’s the kind of reason we will be able to explain, with a clean heart, to the victims of abortion when we meet them face to face in the next life—which we most certainly will. If we’re confident that these victims will accept our motives as something more than an alibi, then we can proceed.

Posted in: Politics
Barack Obama and What Is At Stake
Posted by Chris Roberts on May 20th, 2008 at 12:41 am.
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Thanks to Justin Taylor for pointing this out. 

Barack Obama delivered a speech last year to Planned Parenthood. During the speech he said that the issues being defended by planned parenthood were issues at stake in this election, issues that he also defends and will fight for.

When I first started to hear about Obama I was interested. I love the thought of seeing a black man elected president. Our country still has a lot of work to do toward race relations, but Obamas candidacy shows we have come a long way. But some of Obama’s positions, particularly regarding abortion, are inexcusable. I cannot vote for a pro-abortion candidate, and Obama seems to be about as far to the left on abortion as a person can get.

Posted in: Politics
Seek the Holy Now WordPress
Posted by Chris Roberts on May 18th, 2008 at 4:23 pm.
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I’ve switched the site back to WordPress. There are a lot of things I like about Movable Type and some things I really dislike about the new WordPress, but at the end of the day I missed WordPress templating and I missed my own plugins. So this site is set up using my Tippy and WordPress ESV plugins.

Links to old pages will not work, though all the content is on here. 

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My history on the web
Posted by Chris Roberts on May 17th, 2008 at 1:26 pm.
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Over at my other blog Exploring the Mystery I wrote a post called History on the Web in which I talk about some of my internet activity over the last few years, particularly as relates to the World Wide Web. It is a bit of nostalgia inspired by my latest move, switching from DreamHost to use MediaLayer as my new web host. 

I won’t often post links on here to things I write at Exploring the Mystery, but I thought this one was worth a mention.

In other news, things *might* get shuffled around on here soon. I am trying to make up my mind whether to keep using Movable Type or to switch this blog back to WordPress. Decisions, decisions.

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Marketing to Introverts
Posted by Chris Roberts on May 17th, 2008 at 9:16 am.
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Picked this up from the Jollyblogger and from Introverted Church. An article has been written for marketers explaining how to market to introverts. It is a humorous article which nonetheless contains some insights into introverts. Being quite the introvert myself I thought it was a good read. Much better than the post by Anthony at The Institute saying introverts are “the sugar in the kingdom’s missional gas tank”. 

Anyway. Here are some of my favorite quotes from the marketing article:

Introverts don’t like interruptions, uninvited visits or phone calls.
If you want to come see me, please do! I enjoy having company. We love having people over for meals. But please let us know you are coming. Nothing throws off my day like unexpected company. As a pastor this is something I will just have to deal with, but if you are coming for a social visit, let us know first. And don’t be surprised if it is my wife who always answers the phone. I despise the things.

Introverts love to read.
Many non-introverts also enjoy reading, but I don’t think I’ve met an introvert who was not fond of books.

Please don’t be cute, peppy, positive, enthusiastic or motivating. Instead, be polite, know your stuff, get to the point, leave written material and invite a response at a later date.
I enjoy cheerful people. I am annoyed by peppy people. I do like to see enthusiastic and motivating people, however, provided they are that way as a natural part of their personality and not as something put on.

Introverts hate small talk. If you would like to make an excellent first impression, be polite and come quickly to the point.
For me it’s not so much that I hate small talk but I’m not very good at it. I don’t mind it, per se, if it is going somewhere. The article says to avoid personal details, but I like personal details. They help me get to know someone. But if a conversation is simply pointless then I quickly become bored. Don’t include every detail – I don’t need to know everything. Get to the point of what you want to say and we will have a good, constructive conversation.

Introverts hate phones and especially cell phones.
Don’t expect a return phone call. We figure, why bother someone when we can dash off a note, leave a message on an answering machine or click off an email. This is pretty accurate for me. I do not like phones. I cringe every time I hear the phone ring. If it is someone I know well, I might not mind so much. Still, I prefer to do all my communication face to face or via email. I am guilty of ignoring more than a few ringing phones and letting the answering machine get it. I am also bad about not actually returning phone calls. Try to catch me in person if you can, or just send me an email. And as I mentioned already, if you call, don’t be surprised if my wife always answers the phone.

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Do Aliens Exist?
Posted by Chris Roberts on May 14th, 2008 at 8:54 am.
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According to a BBC article, a scientist working at the Vatican, Father Gabriel Funes, has said that alien life could well exist on other planets and might be free from the effects of original sin.

Christians have debated whether or not there are aliens out there. The basic argument is that since the Bible does not mention intelligent life created elsewhere, such life does not exist. Others have pointed out that since the Bible is silent on the subject, we are free to assume that aliens might be out there.

Father Funes believes there may be aliens out there, and I assume he means intelligent aliens with a cognitive ability similar to ours. Such aliens might be free from original sin.

Here is my take. I believe some form of alien life can and probably does exist in the universe. We could go to other planets and we would find plants and animals. But I do not believe we will ever find intelligent alien life. Romans 8 explains why.

Romans 8:19-23 says:

Romans 8:19-23

19 For the creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the sons of God. 20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of him who subjected it, in hope 21 that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to corruption and obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until now. 23 And not only the creation, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies. (ESV)

This passage includes everything in creation. It says that all of creation has been “subjected to futility” because of the fall of mankind into sin. We humans are profoundly affected as well.  Here is the question to ask. If there existed other moral, intelligent beings who were somehow like us, would God have subjected those beings to decay because of our sin? Everything in creation was impacted by us. I do not think God would subject other moral, intelligent creatures to the effects of our sin. It is possible, but I don’t think so. And since the Bible tells us that everything in creation has in fact been subjected to the effects of our sin, moral, intelligent alien life must not exist.

I haven’t even touched on the question of whether or not aliens would be sinless, and if they were not how salvation might work for them. But that factors into the discussion as well.

Posted in: Musings
An Evangelical Manifesto: Conservative Fundamentalism
Posted by Chris Roberts on May 12th, 2008 at 10:36 pm.
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This entry deals with what An Evangelical Manifesto has to say about conservative fundamentalism. Also be sure and read the companion post on liberal revisionism.The following two paragraphs serve to introduce both posts so it will be repeated in both.  

I am still working on a post on how Evangelicalism is defined in An Evangelical Manifesto. But along the way I thought I would write a post on the distinction made between liberal revisionism and conservative fundamentalism. This is one of the sticking points for many people – namely, what do the Manifesto writers have against fundamentalists? The writers spend just over a page (the end of page 8 and all of 9) explaining the distinction between the two groups. What are their criticisms and who are they targeting?

First a word about the terms. The writers are careful to explain that Evangelicalism cannot “be reduced to political categories such as ‘conservative’ and ‘liberal’”. Their discussion about liberal revisionism and conservative fundamentalism is not about liberals and conservatives but a certain type of liberal and a certain type of conservative. The terms liberal and conservative encompass people who range from extreme to moderate positions. What the writers want to address are those people whose views and behaviors occupy the extremes. 

The writers of An Evangelical Manifesto are less specific about the problems with fundamentalism than with the problems with liberal revisionism, and their lack of specificity is one of the reasons some people have decided not to sign the document. Those who feel sympathetic to or identified with fundamentalism feel that the Manifesto is not clear enough in what it is rejecting and that the writers do not say whether or not anything within fundamentalism is praiseworthy. The writers do say that they “celebrate those in the past for their worthy desire to be true to the fundamentals of the faith,” but what of fundamentalists today? There the writers are not clear.

The writers begin their discussion of fundamentalism by saying that “the fundamentalist tendency is more recent [than liberal revisionism], and even closer to Evangelicalism, so much so that in the eyes of many, the two overlap.” Revisionism came first and fundamentalism followed as a reaction. Between revisionism and fundamentalism, Evangelicalism is closer – perhaps much closer – to fundamentalism. This alone should say something to the reader. Writers of the Manifesto are not outsiders looking in at fundamentalism. They feel a kinship to fundamentalism but have decided that in some areas fundamentalism is or has become too extreme.

The writers note that what distinguishes fundamentalism from Evangelicalism is not the gospel itself. They say that fundamentalism is “an overlay on the Christian faith”. What this implies is that the writers recognize that fundamentalists do hold to the Christian gospel. They are not like the revisionists who often reject Christian truth. Fundamentalism grew as a defense of Christian truth against revisionism. As such fundamentalism has ”developed into an essentially modern reaction to the modern world.” Whereas the definition of Evangelical is not bound to time and culture, the defining aspects of fundamentalism restrict it to a modern reaction to modern problems.

What the writers are criticizing about fundamentalism is fairly vague. They say that fundamentalism “tends to romanticize the past,… and to radicalize the present, with styles of reaction that are personally and publicly militant to the point where they are sub-Christian.” A little later they say that fundamentalists can “fail to follow the great commandment that we love our neighbors as ourselves” as well as fail to “forgive without limit and love even their enemies.” The writers acknowledge that this is something all people, certainly including Evangelicals, can fail to live up to. But the implication is that this is a particular problem with fundamentalism.

Historically, fundamentalism grew as a defense of several specific doctrines that were called the fundamentals. Fundamentalists were those Christians who fully affirmed the fundamentals of the faith. (I have tried to find a list of the fundamentals but have not yet succeeded. Can someone point me in the right direction?) As liberal revisionists wore away at Christian teaching, fundamentalists drew a line in the sand and said these things must stand. If someone fails to affirm any of these fundamentals, he is not a Christian.

I believe that most if not all of those fundamentals are affirmed by Evangelicals and are affirmed in this Manifesto. The problem is the force with which fundamentalists defend the fundamentals. In the past they have refused to have any fellowship with any people who were not themselves fundamentalists. They were even critical of people who affirmed all the fundamentals but were willing to associate with non-fundamentalists. Someone like Billy Graham, who affirmed fundamentalist beliefs, has come under heavy criticism because of the people he has allowed to share the stage with him at his revivals. Someone like Timothy George, a member of the Manifesto steering committee, would be in trouble because of his involvement with the group Evangelicals and Catholics Together. In fact, some fundamentalists have criticized the Manifesto precisely because of the associations some of the writers have with people who do not agree with the fundamentals.

One of the problems with fundamentalism that I believe this document is addressing (where it says that fundamentalists “radicalize the present”) is the tendency to create a great deal of distance between themselves and all those who are not like themselves. They will often display hostility rather than the love of Christ. The writers of the Manifesto do affirm the need to proclaim and defend the gospel and to speak up in opposition to error (“Just as Jesus did, Evangelicals sometimes have to make strong judgments about what is false, unjust, and evil.”), but that we must do so in love. One big difference between an Evangelical and a fundamental is in how we respond to those who disagree with us. Fundamentalists tend to condemn and separate while Evangelicals oppose but continue to converse with and show love to those who are in the wrong. Later in the Manifesto the writers describe fundamentalism as being “thoroughly world-denying and politically disengaged from its outset”. Fundamentalists have recognized the problems of the modern world and seem to feel that nothing in the modern world is compatible with faithful Christian truth. The answer is to pull out of the world, to separate from it, and to try to rebuild a community that returns to a romanticized past.

I believe the writers of the Manifesto would affirm that fundamentalists are basically correct in what they believe about God and the Christian life, and the writers would affirm most of not all of the fundamentals, but that the writers feel fundamentalists have wielded truth in ways that are at times unhelpful and even “sub-Christian” in that they fail to display the love of Christ. The aims of fundamentalism are limited and fail to represent the full context of the gospel. The actions of fundamentalists are limited to their reactions against liberal revisionism and neglect other areas of the Christian life. From my own experience, it seems that fundamentalists can be reluctant to recognize the full extent and importance of social obligations Christians have because such obligations have been the only thing upheld by liberal revisionists. Revisionists have often distorted the gospel into a social gospel or liberation theology so fundamentalists are suspicious of any teachings that move in this direction.

Fundamentalism is only mentioned one more time in the rest of the document, but I believe some of the problems faced by Evangelicals deal with our tendency to act like fundamentalists. Also, how Evangelicals behave in public/political life should be distinct from how fundamentalists behave, but we often act very much like them. But that is a discussion for another post.

Posted in: Religious Life
An Evangelical Manifesto: Liberal Revisionism
Posted by Chris Roberts on May 12th, 2008 at 8:44 pm.
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This entry deals with what An Evangelical Manifesto has to say about liberal revisionism. Also be sure and read the companion post on conservative fundamentalism. The following two paragraphs serve to introduce both posts so it will be repeated in both.

I am still working on a post on how Evangelicalism is defined in An Evangelical Manifesto. But along the way I thought I would write a post on the distinction made between liberal revisionism and conservative fundamentalism. This is one of the sticking points for many people – namely, what do the Manifesto writers have against fundamentalists? The writers spend just over a page (the end of page 8 and all of 9) explaining the distinction between the two groups. What are their criticisms and who are they targeting?

First a word about the terms. The writers are careful to explain that Evangelicalism cannot “be reduced to political categories such as ‘conservative’ and ‘liberal’”. Their discussion about liberal revisionism and conservative fundamentalism is not about liberals and conservatives but a certain type of liberal and a certain type of conservative. The terms liberal and conservative encompass people who range from extreme to moderate positions. What the writers want to address are those people whose views and behaviors occupy the extremes.

The first group addressed is liberal revisionism. There is a lot of distance between Evangelicalism and liberal revisionism. It would not be correct to say that this document looks for a middle-of-the-road approach between revisionism and fundamentalism. The writers themselves acknowledge that fundamentalism is “even closer to Evangelicalism” than revisionism. They describe liberal revisionism as holding “an exaggerated estimate of human capacities, a shallow view of evil, an inadequate view of truth, and a deficient view of God.” The writers go so far as to say revisionists are “sometimes no longer recognizably Christian.” They then describe several areas that revisionists have cast off Christian truth:

  1. They reject the truth of the Bible, turning instead to things that are culturally acceptable.
  2. They reject the historical teachings of the church, separating themselves from Christians of the past and from Christians around the world.
  3. They are unstable as they tend to be blown about by whatever trend is currently en vogue, following “the spirit of the age”.
  4. They lose credibility by claiming a “new kind of faith” (which reminds me of the title of Brian McLaren’s book A New Kind of Christian though this was probably not in the minds of the writers) which looks more like the claims of the skeptics than the teachings of the Bible, leaving nothing “solidly, decisively Christian for seekers to examine and believe”.
  5. They lose identity by turning themselves into something different than “the historic Christian faith that is true to Jesus.”

In other words, liberal revisionists can hold to a faith that is not biblical, historical, stable, credible, or recognizable. The writers do not name names in the document, though Os Guinness specifically mentioned Bishop John Shelby Spong in a radio interview with Al Mohler. I forget who made the comment and on which site it was made, but one person has already compared the description of liberal revisionism to some of the claims of the emerging church. While most of the people in the emerging church are more faithful to the teachings of Scripture than someone like Bishop Spong, the movement does seem to tend in the direction of revisionism and in some places have crossed into it completely.

The writers are less specific about the problems with fundamentalism, and their lack of specificity is one of the reasons some people have decided not to sign the document. Those who feel sympathetic to or identified with fundamentalism feel that the Manifesto is not clear enough in what it is rejecting or to what degree the writers believe that fundamentalism is praiseworthy.

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A Mother's Day Tribute
Posted by Chris Roberts on May 10th, 2008 at 9:26 pm.
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This entry is to wish my mom a Happy Mother’s Day! I think we can all agree she has had one of the most delightful tasks in the world – being my mother. But I must admit there have been periods when I was less than a delight, periods in which her mothering was put to the test. Since I am now 30 and officially old I have the wisdom of years that enables me to say she did her work well.

We did not always see eye to eye (I had the advantage, being a foot taller) but somehow she managed not to kill me over the years. She loved me, took care of me, drove me around, sang me to bed at night as a child, put up with the music I listened to as a teenager, fed me, clothed me, put up with the clothes I wore as a teenager, and loved me.

She made me pancakes so I could wiggle. She let me watch A-Team on Saturday mornings (or did I do that without her knowing… I forget – maybe this post is confession time!) and she tried to protect me from things I shouldn’t watch.

She and my dad had it tough, raising a positively ADHD kid who has always had a strong stubborn and independent streak and yet she extended to me the grace of God. Now I have kids of my own and they have a grandmother who will hold them and rock them and let them play with her toy purse and cook for them and put up with their squeals.

Thanks, mom, for raising me, for loving me, for teaching me, for helping me. And thanks for now doing so with my own kids.

I love you. There. I’ve said it for all the world to see. Just don’t hug me in front of the guys.

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