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		<title>The Pastor as Vision-Caster?</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Proverbs 29:18 18&#160;Where there is no prophetic vision the people cast off restraint, but blessed is he who keeps the law. (ESV) The point of this passage is that when people do not receive God&#8217;s vision (prophetic vision comes from the Hebrew חָזוֹן which means revelation, divine communication) they go astray and are lost. We [...]]]></description>
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<p>The point of this passage is that when people do not receive God&#8217;s vision (prophetic vision comes from the Hebrew חָזוֹן which means revelation, divine communication) they go astray and are lost. We sometimes take this to mean that the pastor is to cast his vision for a church and without that vision a church will shrivel up and die. But Proverbs is telling us that unless the spiritual leader of the people (then it was the prophets who spoke for God, now it is pastors who deliver God&#8217;s word) give God&#8217;s revelation to them, they will perish.</p>
<p>Again and again the Bible seeks to root us in itself. We are to live by the Word of God, the revelation of God&#8217;s truth. It bothers me whenever I hear passages like <cite class="bibleref" title="Proverbs 29:18" style="display: none;"></cite><a id="tippy_tip1328610680_1636" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Proverbs%2029.18/" target="_blank" class="tippy_link" onmouseover="Tippy.loadTipInfo('&lt;div class=&quot;block-indent&quot;&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;line-group&quot; id=&quot;p20029018.01-1&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;verse-num&quot; id=&quot;v20029018-1&quot;&gt;18&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;Where there is no prophetic vision the people cast off restraint,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;indent&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;but blessed is he who keeps the law.  (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.esv.org&quot; class=&quot;copyright&quot;&gt;ESV&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;', 0, 0, 'tippy_tip1328610680_1636', event);" onmouseout="Tippy.fadeTippyOut();">Proverbs 29:18</a> used to call for subjective vision-casting. The role of the pastor is not to deliver his ideas of what a church should be and do. The role of the pastor is to cast God&#8217;s vision as given to us in the Bible. From beginning to end, pastoral ministry involves instructing people in the ways of God. In this way, the pastor helps his people live blessed lives, as the proverb says, <i>blessed is he who keeps the law</i>. </p>
<p>The pastor must be a vision-caster, but it had better not be his vision that he is trying to cast. Pastor, cast God&#8217;s vision, God&#8217;s Word, to the people God has entrusted to you.</p>
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		<title>Comments on the Great Commission Resurgence Proposal</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2010 05:36:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chris Roberts</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I had originally planned to put this online in a series of posts, but I already have a notion of how many people will read through this monster, so I might as well put it all up at once. It can also be downloaded as a PDF: GCR-Comments.pdf The Great Commission Resurgence Task Force was [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had originally planned to put this online in a series of posts, but I already have a notion of how many people will read through this monster, so I might as well put it all up at once. It can also be downloaded as a PDF:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.seektheholy.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/GCR-Comments.pdf">GCR-Comments.pdf</a></p>
<p>The Great Commission Resurgence Task Force was organized to examine denominational entities and make recommendations on how we as a denomination can be more effective in missionary work. Formation of the task force was approved during the 2009 Southern Baptist Convention meeting in Louisville, Kentucky and the task force will present its final proposal at the 2010 SBC meeting in Orlando, Florida.</p>
<p>The final proposal was released to the public on May 3rd and is available at <a href="http://www.pray4gcr.com/">http://www.pray4gcr.com/</a>. The document is 27 pages long and consists of four sections:</p>
<ul>
<li>Introduction</li>
<li>Proposal, presented in seven components</li>
<li>Summary of the recommendation to the SBC</li>
<li>Concluding challenges to individuals, churches, and entities of the SBC</li>
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<p>In my comments on the GCR proposal I’m going to try hard not to nitpick. There were a number of statements that jumped out as really good, and a number of statements that jumped out as really bad. Many of the bad statements point to deeper problems within the SBC. I discuss one of those bad statements in a <a href="http://www.seektheholy.com/2010/05/10/sbc-difference-in-church-and-convention/">previous blog post</a>. But for the purpose of this post, I want to remain focused on what the GCR proposal is intended to bring about, what specific recommendations are being proposed, and whether or not I think the recommendations are good.</p>
<p>Several months ago, the GCR Task Force released a rough draft of their proposal. At that time the document had little more than the opening introduction/sermon and the proposal itself. Now, however, the final report includes a section of challenges to Southern Baptists. I think the challenges are the best part of the document and am thrilled to see them in the final report.<span id="more-957"></span></p>
<h2><strong>Introduction</strong></h2>
<p>The introduction of the GCR proposal provides some background for the GCR work and gives reasons why changes are needed within the denomination. The discussion in this section takes place under five headings which I will comment on briefly:</p>
<p><strong><em>Needed: A Great Commission Resurgence</em></strong></p>
<p>This brief section contained a call for each generation of Southern Baptists to recommit to the Great Commission.</p>
<p><strong><em>Assignment: A Great Commission Motion</em></strong></p>
<p>Here, writers of the proposal gave the history behind the formation of the Great Commission Resurgence Task Force. The task force was formally formed with the overwhelming passage of the following motion at the 2009 SBC meeting:</p>
<blockquote><p>That the Southern Baptist Convention, meeting June 23-24, 2009 in Louisville, Kentucky, authorize the President of the Southern Baptist Convention to appoint A Great Commission Task Force charged to bring a report and any recommendations to the Southern Baptist Convention, meeting in Orlando, Florida, June 15-16, 2010, concerning how Southern Baptists can work more faithfully and effectively together in serving Christ through the Great Commission.</p></blockquote>
<p>The task force is made up of 22 denominational leaders, pastors, and laymen.</p>
<p><strong><em>Urgency: A World of Lostness</em></strong></p>
<p>The need for a Great Commission Resurgence is emphasized in the report by highlighting the estimated number of lost people around the world. There are nearly seven billion people in the world and at least six billion are lost.</p>
<p>Just in the United States, the numbers are not looking good. Christianity is on the decline. From World War II to today, the estimated number of American Christians has fallen from 65 percent to 15 percent (the report uses these numbers; I’m not sure where they are from). Today, the SBC has 17,000 more churches than in 1950, yet in 1950 there were 33,000 more baptisms than today. The number of teenagers being baptized today is half the number baptized in 1970.</p>
<p>One issue I had throughout the document begins to show up in this section. There is a persistent tone that American Christians, particularly Baptists, have not done enough, that if we only ran a tighter ship with more workers we would not see such a decline in Christianity. We are told to work harder in order to turn the numbers around. But a decline should not surprise us. Scripture tells us that wickedness will increase on the earth until the return of Christ. There are moments in time when God brings revival and we see society turn toward God, but such times are the exception. This does not mean we should build bunkers and hide away until the return of Christ. I absolutely agree with the task force that we must seek greater faithfulness in evangelism. We are responsible to be faithful to the call of the Great Commission. Through the GCR proposal, the task force seeks to help us as Southern Baptists be more faithful. But I wish they would have avoided language that made it sound as though all we have to do is work harder and revival will come. As the task force mentions in another section, “only God can bring this about.”</p>
<p>My approach at my church has been to say, “Let us be sure we are being as faithful as possible to this work. We will leave the results up to God.” Hard work is not promised observable results, but faithfulness will always yield eternal reward.</p>
<p><strong><em>Reality: What is Holding us Back?</em></strong></p>
<p>This section is really just an extension of the previous section, but instead of looking at the numbers out in the world, attention is given to finances within the SBC. The primary issue addressed in this section is the low percentage of money that makes it to the mission boards. To summarize their numbers: the average SBC church member only gives 2.5% of his income to his church; the average SBC church only sends 6% of its budget to the Cooperative Program; the average SBC state convention only forwards 37% of its CP money to the national SBC. This means only a small fraction of SBC giving finds its way to the International Mission Board or the North American Mission Board.</p>
<p>I believe one of the main concerns of the task force &#8211; and of many individual Southern Baptists &#8211; is with the amount of money being kept by the state conventions. Most Southern Baptists likely assume that most of their CP giving is going to missions work around the world, not remaining within the state. But in reality, 2/3rds of all CP giving remains within the states (as we will see later, it is actually more than 2/3rds since NAMB uses its CP dollars to pay for some ministries of the state conventions), funding what appears to many to be bloated bureaucracies or redundant  or unnecessary ministries. There are a lot of good ministries sponsored by state conventions, but many of those ministries should be in the hands of the local churches or national entities, not the state convention. And while there are good ministries being performed with CP dollars, there are also unnecessary positions, departments, committees, and travel expenses that drain away money which would otherwise go to more important missions work.</p>
<p><strong><em>Back to Basics: A Theology for Great Commission Faithfulness</em></strong></p>
<p>The final section of the introduction contains an overview of the importance of great commission work. Included in this section is a great summary of man’s need and God’s gift:</p>
<blockquote><p>We believe that every single person is a sinner, alienated from God and without hope apart from Christ. We are confident that God saves sinners by His grace and for His glory, and that our salvation is secured through the atoning life, death, and resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ. We believe that salvation is given to all who come to a saving knowledge of Christ, trusting in Him and in Him alone for our salvation, the forgiveness of sins, and the gift of everlasting life. We declare to the whole world our belief that Jesus saves &#8211; this same Jesus who is the divine God-man, our substitutionary Savior, and reigning Lord, the Head of His church.</p></blockquote>
<p>Being aware of the current discussion in the SBC between Calvinist and non-Calvinist folks, I am glad to see a well-crafted expression of sin and salvation that can be embraced by both sides.</p>
<p>Given the heavy bureaucracy of the SBC, I also liked the following statement: “We must also affirm the primacy and centrality of the local church in the life of the Southern Baptist Convention. The New Testament identifies the church as the central instrument of the kingdom of God. We must return the local church to the primacy and centrality in the life and work of our denomination at every level.” I would really like to see this come about. It is my feeling that churches have very little say in the goings-on of the SBC, whether at the state or the national level. For instance, even if the SBC votes overwhelmingly in favor of the GCR recommendations at the 2010 meeting, the various entities are free to ignore the vote. The entities are controlled by their boards of trustees and in general those boards are not bound by votes at the SBC floor. This is why the Conservative Resurgence took so long and required what some see as underhanded methods; there was simply no other way to reign in the denomination. In fact, Morris Chapman, head of the Executive Committee, has at least implied that trustees are free to ignore the GCR recommendations, defying the will of the SBC ( From <a href="http://www.bpnews.net/BPnews.asp?ID=32781">Baptist Press</a>: “Should this happen [passage of the GCR recommendations at the SBC], although the task force will no longer exist, members of the task force and the SBC president, if inclined, will have the green light to insist that the SBC Executive Committee and other entities are mandated to approve the GCRTF recommendations. While this is not true, it does demonstrate the kind of pressure that likely is to be exerted by task force members and others.”). Chapman is right that no one can force trustees to act a certain way, but shouldn’t we expect that SBC trustees would respect the will of the SBC?</p>
<h2>Proposal</h2>
<p>The GCR proposal is split into seven components, or recommendations, for the SBC to consider. I am not sure if the components will be presented individually or as a package deal. Some of the components don’t make sense unless they are joined with others (#6 and #7, for example) so at least some of them will probably be presented together.</p>
<p>On February 22, 2010, the GCR task force presented an interim report to the Executive Committee of the SBC. The interim report was released for public study and comment. One thing that struck me as a notable difference between the interim and final reports is that the final report is less specific than the interim report. I actually feel better about the final report. It provides more room for affected entities to decide how best to implement the proposals. Instead of the proposal telling entities, “Here’s what you need to do, and here’s how you need to do it,” it says, “here’s what you need to do, now figure out the best way to do it.”</p>
<p>At the end of each component there is a summary statement of the recommendation. As I talk about the components I will start by giving the summary statement. Without further ado, here are the components and my take on them.</p>
<p><strong><em>Component One: Getting the Mission Right</em></strong></p>
<blockquote><p>&#8230;we will ask Southern Baptists to adopt this missional vision as a statement of what draws us together, establishes our purposes, and defines our passion before our churches and the watching world.</p></blockquote>
<p>The first component calls for a renewed vision for missions among Southern Baptist Churches. This missional vision would be: “As a convention of churches, our missional vision is to present the Gospel of Jesus Christ to every person in the world and to make disciples of all nations.” And on the role of this statement in churches: “This missional vision must drive everything that Southern Baptists do, and reset every priority of the local church.”</p>
<p>I have three responses. First, I don’t really get mission statements. Historically, Baptists have claimed, “No creed but Christ!” or “no creed but the Bible!” Today, I sometimes feel we should add to that, “and our mission statement!” Those individuals and churches not already aware of our need to spread the gospel will not suddenly become motivated through a mission statement.</p>
<p>Second, as far as mission statements go, this one is decent enough &#8211; if we keep it focused on the missions work of the church (more on that in a moment). It is a good, concise statement of the Great Commission. But again, I don’t think it is necessary &#8211; <cite class="bibleref" title="Matthew 28:18-20" style="display: none;"></cite><a id="tippy_tip1328610680_1987" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Matthew%2028.18-20/" target="_blank" class="tippy_link" onmouseover="Tippy.loadTipInfo('&lt;p id=&quot;p40028018.01-1&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;verse-num&quot; id=&quot;v40028018-1&quot;&gt;18&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;And Jesus came and said to them, &lt;span class=&quot;woc&quot;&gt;&amp;#8220;All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span class=&quot;verse-num woc&quot; id=&quot;v40028019-1&quot;&gt;19&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;woc&quot;&gt;Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span class=&quot;verse-num woc&quot; id=&quot;v40028020-1&quot;&gt;20&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;woc&quot;&gt;teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.&amp;#8221;&lt;/span&gt;  (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.esv.org&quot; class=&quot;copyright&quot;&gt;ESV&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;', 0, 0, 'tippy_tip1328610680_1987', event);" onmouseout="Tippy.fadeTippyOut();">Matthew 28:18-20</a> presents a much better missional vision.</p>
<p>Third, the mission statement is pushed way harder than it should be. I have written more about this elsewhere so I won’t go into detail here, but the first priority of the local church is not missions. As I wrote elsewhere, the main purpose of the local church is to glorify God and we do that through two functions: helping believers grow in the image of Christ (discipleship), and spreading the gospel throughout the world (missions/evangelism). For too long and all too often the SBC has emphasized evangelism while neglecting our great need for discipleship. Missions is one of our priorities, but it is not our only priority.</p>
<p><strong><em>Component Two: Making Our Values Transparent</em></strong></p>
<blockquote><p>&#8230;we will call Southern Baptists to embrace and adopt these Core Values as a means of ensuring that we work together in a way that will please our Lord and reflect our identity as fellow believers in service to the Lord Jesus Christ.</p></blockquote>
<p>Component two is really a subset of component one. While component one presents a mission statement for the SBC, component two lists eight “core values” for the SBC:</p>
<ol>
<li>Christ-likeness</li>
<li>Truth</li>
<li>Unity</li>
<li>Relationships</li>
<li>Trust</li>
<li>Future</li>
<li>Local church</li>
<li>Kingdom</li>
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<p>The report also gives a brief explanation of each value.</p>
<p>As with mission statements, I don’t get core values. While this list contains good, necessary characteristics of Christians, I don’t understand the purpose of such a list. What do we do with it? This list is too concise to be comprehensive of all of the Bible’s “core values” so a number of things are left off the list which should be high priority for Christians. I’m left wondering why a list of core values is better than a simple statement along the lines of, “Southern Baptists believe the Bible to be the inerrant, inspired word of God and we draw our values and priorities from the commands of Scripture.” I don’t want to point people to a mission statement or a list of values, I want to point people to the Bible.</p>
<p>That said, I do believe there is value in creeds (<a href="http://www.reformed.org/documents/index.html?mainframe=http://www.reformed.org/documents/apostles_creed.html">Apostle’s</a> and <a href="http://www.reformed.org/documents/index.html?mainframe=http://www.reformed.org/documents/nicene.html">Nicene</a> are good) and confessions (<a href="http://www.sbc.net/bfm/bfm2000.asp">2000 BF&amp;M</a>, <a href="http://www.vor.org/truth/1689/1689bc00.html">1689 LBC</a>, and the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Forms_of_Unity">Three Forms of Unity</a> are good) as ways of clarifying what we believe about the Bible and the doctrines of the Bible, but mission statements and core values are too short to serve this purpose.</p>
<p><strong><em>Component Three: Celebrating and Empowering Great Commission Giving</em></strong></p>
<blockquote><p>&#8230;we will call upon Southern Baptists to give as never before, to support the Cooperative Program as never before, and to celebrate every church’s eager and sacrificial support of Great Commission Giving at every level.</p></blockquote>
<p>There are several ways that Southern Baptist ministries receive funding. The normal channel for funding is through the Cooperative Program. Most Southern Baptist churches designate a certain percentage of their budget for the Cooperative Program. Churches send CP money to their state convention which keeps a portion for state work and sends the rest to the national SBC.</p>
<p>In addition to the Cooperative Program, there are several special offerings each year to support international missions, North American missions, state missions, children’s homes, and perhaps other special offerings for other works. Those funds generally go directly to the entities, bypassing the Cooperative Program. For example, the Lottie Moon offering collects money that goes directly to the International Mission Board.</p>
<p>Some churches, wanting to ensure that more of their money reaches IMB or NAMB rather than remaining within the state convention, will send money year-round through the special offerings. A church might designate a very low percentage of their budget to the Cooperative Program but a higher percentage to the International Mission Board through Lottie Moon.</p>
<p>The third component of the GCR proposal calls for churches to increase their commitment to the Cooperative Program, but it also calls for the denomination to recognize all the financial support SBC churches give to SBC causes. Currently, churches might be evaluated based on their giving to the Cooperative Program. The third component would change it so that churches report all their giving to Southern Baptist work, not just their giving to the Cooperative Program. As it is, churches do report all of their giving but most of the attention goes to CP giving.</p>
<p>Overall, I’m indifferent to this recommendation. While I think it is ridiculous to evaluate a church &#8211; or a pastor! &#8211; on the basis of the church’s CP giving, I don’t know that this recommendation will really accomplish anything. It might change how a few things look on paper but it won’t change how anything gets done.</p>
<p>Within the recommendation, however, are several challenges, such as calling on churches to increase CP giving. State conventions are also challenged to forward more money on through the Cooperative Program. Entities are encouraged to be more careful and more faithful to use CP money for good, effective ministry. While I am indifferent to the recommendation itself, I think most of the challenges (the last one is a bit quirky) are good.</p>
<p><strong><em>Component Four: Reaching North America</em></strong></p>
<blockquote><p>&#8230;we will ask Southern Baptists to unleash the North American Mission Board for a new era of leadership and service to Southern Baptists, pushing back against the lostness of the United States and Canada.</p></blockquote>
<p>The fourth component contains the biggest changes proposed in the GCR report. It involves a fairly fundamental restructuring of the North American Mission Board, turning it into a Southern Baptist church planting network focused on reaching regions that currently do not have a strong Southern Baptist presence.</p>
<p>The recommendation lists six changes to NAMB:</p>
<ol>
<li>Direct the focus of NAMB to the regions of North America that have less Christian witness: “&#8230;implement a missional strategy for planting churches in North America with a priority to reach metropolitan areas and underserved people groups.” In addition, challenge SBC churches to take responsibility for planting new churches with NAMB assistance.</li>
<li>Increase the cooperation of NAMB and Lifeway in developing materials to train pastors in discipleship.</li>
<li>Along with item 2, give NAMB the task of pastoral leadership development, with a particular focus on training for “contextual evangelism and church planting”.</li>
<li>Focus NAMB spending on unreached areas. The report notes that “approximately two-thirds of our Cooperative Program dollars are spent on regions where only one-third of the population resides&#8230; the greatest percentage of mission funds remains where our own churches are concentrated.”</li>
<li>Eliminating cooperative agreements. This goes along with item 4 and is perhaps the biggest item. From what I can gather, much of NAMB’s current work is done through cooperative agreements with state conventions, so rather than establishing their own workers and support structure, NAMB works through state conventions. But this means states with a stronger Baptist presence have a greater chance of entering into cooperative agreements with NAMB, keeping NAMB money in regions that already have a lot of Baptist churches. By ending cooperative agreements and charging NAMB to focus on metropolitan and underserved areas, money would flow back to less-reached areas.</li>
<li>Even though cooperative agreements would come to an end, the report calls for NAMB to work in partnership with state conventions.</li>
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<p>I think this component is ultimately good, yet risky, with a dash of bad. On the good side, I like the idea of turning NAMB into a more sophisticated church planting network, independent from, though working with, state conventions. Many young church planters are moving to groups like the <cite class="bibleref" title="Acts 29" style="display: none;"></cite><a id="tippy_tip1328610680_242" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Acts%2029/" target="_blank" class="tippy_link" onmouseover="Tippy.loadTipInfo('ERROR: No results were found for your search.', 0, 0, 'tippy_tip1328610680_242', event);" onmouseout="Tippy.fadeTippyOut();">Acts 29</a> Network. The proposed changes would turn NAMB into a church planting network more accessible to young planters.</p>
<p>Ending the cooperative agreements will also send money where it needs to go. Currently, the money is funding some good ministries but it is funding good ministries in places that already have good ministries. The money needs to go to regions that have few if any ministries.</p>
<p>On the risky side, in component three we noted the challenge to state conventions to increase the amount of money given to the Cooperative Program, yet component four would eliminate one of the sources of funding for state conventions and component six would increase some of the responsibilities of state conventions. Which is more likely: that states will reduce their own spending in order to increase (or just maintain) giving to the Cooperative Program, or that states will reduce their Cooperative Program giving in order to keep all of their programs in place? If states do reduce CP giving, all national entities will suffer. Seminaries, mission boards, and other entities of the SBC all receive a fixed percentage of CP giving. If states reduce what they send, all entities &#8211; not just NAMB &#8211; will take a hit.</p>
<p>On the bad side, I’m not crazy about items 2 and 3. I am not a fan of Lifeway’s material, and I’m not crazy about most of what passes for leadership development these days. These items have the potential to produce good results, but I’m not optimistic.</p>
<p>Also, I’m not clear why NAMB would need to take on any training role to begin with. We already have six seminaries that serve to train and prepare men for ministry. What are the seminaries not doing that NAMB would need to do?</p>
<p><strong><em>Component Five: Reaching Unreached and Underserved People Groups Within North America</em></strong></p>
<blockquote><p>&#8230;we will ask Southern Baptists to entrust to the International Mission Board the ministry of reaching unreached and underserved people groups without regard to any geographic limitation.</p></blockquote>
<p>Recognizing the increase of world travel and relocation, the GCR proposal recommends that the borders of IMB be expanded to include work within North America. There are many international groups now living within North America and many of our churches and conventions are not equipped to reach these groups.</p>
<p>IMB has the training and resources to reach internationals within the United States and Canada. The proposal does not state how IMB would go about reaching internationals in North America, just that they should be allowed to do so. This would also help keep NAMB focused on church planting rather than on organizing ministries to internationals.</p>
<p>One interesting statement in this component is that “we are fully confident that these two mission boards can and will serve Southern Baptists and maximize their combined reach by working together.” When the GCR task force first started its work there were rumors that the task force would recommend merging IMB and NAMB. But the task force has made it clear that the mission boards will continue to exist separate from each other and would serve different functions. IMB will expand to do some work in North America, but it will not displace the NAMB work of church planting.</p>
<p><strong><em>Component Six: Promoting the Cooperative Program and Elevating Stewardship</em></strong></p>
<blockquote><p>We strongly encourage the Executive Committee of the Southern Baptist Convention to work with the state conventions, charged with the responsibility of Cooperative Program and stewardship education, in developing a strategy for encouraging our churches to greater participation and investment in the Cooperative Program. This is an immediate need, made more urgent by the rise of a new generation of Southern Baptists, ready for leadership and deployment in service to the Great Commission. Our hope is that a unified strategy with clearly established goals will be in place by the meeting of the Southern Baptist Convention in 2013.</p></blockquote>
<p>In 1995 the Executive Committee of the SBC was given the responsibility of promoting giving through the Cooperative Program. Later, all stewardship promotion was given to the Executive Committee. Prior to that, such promotion was the work of state conventions. The GCR task force recommends that the work of CP promotion and stewardship education be given back to the state conventions.</p>
<p>I’m somewhat indifferent to this. I’m not sure about putting another burden on state conventions at the same time that funding is pulled from them (removal of the NAMB cooperative agreements), but I can see the value of moving promotion away from the Executive Committee. It seems odd to me that they would have received this task to begin with.</p>
<p><strong><em>Component Seven: The Call of the Nations and the SBC Allocation Budget</em></strong></p>
<blockquote><p>We ask Southern Baptists to support this goal by affirming an intention to raise the Cooperative Program SBC Allocation Budget percentage received by the International Mission Board to 51 percent. Further, we ask that Southern Baptists affirm the intention to fund this increase through a reduction in the budget granted to Facilitating Ministries, thus making a statement about our commitment to reducing denominational infrastructure in order to set the pace for growth in commitment to reaching the nations.</p></blockquote>
<p>Components six and seven go together. With the reduction in the responsibilities of the Executive Committee, they (or more specifically, Facilitating Ministries) would lose 1% of the Cooperative Program money. That 1% would be shifted to the International Mission Board. Currently, IMB receives half of all Cooperative Program money. With the change, IMB would receive 51%.</p>
<p>The intended message is that the SBC is working to reduce a bloated bureaucracy, getting the money out of bureaucratic structure and onto the mission field. While a 1% increase would not make a huge difference to the IMB (although the decrease would make a difference to Facilitating Ministries), this is still an important message to send.</p>
<h2>Concluding Challenges</h2>
<p>The report concludes with the recognition that this proposal only marks a starting point to the changes needed within the Southern Baptist Convention. In addition to the seven components, the report includes a long list of challenges to various groups within the SBC. The challenges touch on additional areas where change needs to take place within the SBC.</p>
<p>The list of challenges is my favorite part of the proposal. The list is thorough, direct, and at times, hard hitting. It is my feeling that the SBC’s primary problem is not a lack of dedication to evangelism but a lack of dedication to God. If we were to take the challenges to heart, it would go a long way to drawing our focus back to Christ.</p>
<p>The challenges are well worth reading and applying, so I encourage you to get the GCR report and read the challenges yourself.</p>
<p>Challenges are directed to:</p>
<ul>
<li>Individual Christians</li>
<li>Individual families</li>
<li>Local churches and pastors</li>
<li>Local associations</li>
<li>State conventions</li>
<li>LifeWay</li>
<li>Seminaries</li>
<li>Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission</li>
<li>GuideStone Christian Resources</li>
<li>All Southern Baptist leaders</li>
</ul>
<h2>My Conclusion</h2>
<p>When I read the interim report of the GCR Task Force, I was left with mixed feelings. There were some good ideas but some of the suggestions seemed to go too far or not far enough. The final report is a much better document and fixes many of my concerns. Overall I have no particular issue with the seven components, though I could do without components one and two, and I think the recommendations of component four would bring about good changes to NAMB.</p>
<p>Ultimately, though, it was the challenges at the end of the final report that pulled me into the GCR camp. While some of the components will bring about good changes, the challenges really get to the heart of issues that need to be addressed in the SBC. I hope that in all of the discussions about the components, people do not overlook the challenges.</p>
<p>So in conclusion, if I am at the 2010 SBC meeting in Orlando, I will be voting yes for the GCR recommendations.</p>
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		<title>My GCR Questions</title>
		<link>http://www.seektheholy.com/2010/04/13/my-gcr-questions/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 14:18:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chris Roberts</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am working on a fairly extensive series of posts digging through the Great Commission Task Force recommendations. In the meantime, head over to Baptist 21 and submit questions for a panel discussion to be hosted at Southeastern Seminary. Here are the questions I sent in: Recognizing that the IMB serves a broader range of [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am working on a fairly extensive series of posts digging through the <a href="http://www.pray4gcr.com/downloads/GCRTF_Progress_Report.pdf">Great Commission Task Force recommendations</a>. In the meantime, head over to Baptist 21 and <a href="http://www.baptisttwentyone.com/?p=3941">submit questions</a> for a panel discussion to be hosted at Southeastern Seminary. Here are the questions I sent in:</p>
<p>Recognizing that the IMB serves a broader range of cultures than NAMB, why does NAMB need to be decentralized into regional offices when IMB does not?</p>
<p>On the creation of a leadership training center through NAMB, don&#8217;t seminaries serve that function?</p>
<p>On the ending of cooperative agreements, has any thought been given to designating certain states as pioneer or frontier states and allowing NAMB to have cooperative agreements with pioneer states?</p>
<p>Are all of the proposed changes ultimately designed to turn NAMB into a church planting network in order to retain and facilitate the work of young church planters, moving the old NAMB ministries into the hands of state conventions?</p>
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		<title>If such doctrines as these come into contempt, piety will fall.</title>
		<link>http://www.seektheholy.com/2010/03/25/if-such-doctrines-as-these-come-into-contempt-piety-will-fall/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Mar 2010 19:37:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chris Roberts</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[From the introduction to two sermons in The Works of Jonathan Edwards, Volume 2. The attribution is given to T. Prince and W. Cooper, written in 1731. &#8230;it is the very soul of piety, to apprehend and own that all our springs are in him; the springs of our present grace and comfort, and of [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the introduction to two sermons in The Works of Jonathan Edwards, Volume 2. The attribution is given to T. Prince and W. Cooper, written in 1731.</p>
<blockquote><p>
&#8230;it is the very soul of piety, to apprehend and own that all our springs are in him; the springs of our present grace and comfort, and of our future glory and blessedness; and that they all entirely flow through Christ, by the efficacious influence of the Holy Spirit. By these things saints live, and in all these things is the life of our spirits.</p>
<p>Such doctrines as these, which, by humbling the minds of men, prepare them for the exaltations of God, he has signally owned and prospered in the reformed world, and in our land especially, in the days of our forefathers; <strong>and we hope they will never grow unfashionable among us: for, we are well assured, if those which we call the doctrines of grace ever come to be contemned or disrelished, vital piety will proportionably languish and wear away; as these doctrines always sink in the esteem of men upon the decay of serious religion.</strong>
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<p>I believe they are right. </p>
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		<title>State of the Church</title>
		<link>http://www.seektheholy.com/2010/02/20/state-of-the-church-2/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 20:42:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chris Roberts</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[From White Horse Inn:]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From <a href="http://www.whitehorseinn.org/component/option,com_hwdvideoshare/Itemid,48/task,viewvideo/video_id,7/">White Horse Inn</a>:</p>
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		<title>Churches Helping Churches</title>
		<link>http://www.seektheholy.com/2010/01/25/churches-helping-churches/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 05:05:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chris Roberts</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Powerful. From Churches Helping Churches.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Powerful. From <a href="http://www.churcheshelpingchurches.org/">Churches Helping Churches</a>.</p>
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		<title>SBC and diverse theology</title>
		<link>http://www.seektheholy.com/2010/01/16/sbc-and-diverse-theology/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 23:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chris Roberts</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[After reading about biblical illiteracy it occurs to me that the theological diversity within the SBC is both a blessing and a curse. It is a blessing as it encourages our people to unify around the essentials without dividing over non-essentials. There do remain some matters not essential to salvation that nonetheless divide us from [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reading about <a href="http://www.modernreformation.org/default.php?page=printfriendly&amp;var1=Print&amp;var2=1110">biblical illiteracy</a> it occurs to me that the theological diversity within the SBC is both a blessing and a curse. It is a blessing as it encourages our people to unify around the essentials without dividing over non-essentials. There do remain some matters not essential to salvation that nonetheless divide us from other denominations: ecclesiology, baptism, the ordination of women, etc. But there is also remarkable diversity allowed within SBC life. Calvinists work alongside non-Calvinists. Dispensationalists and amillennialists go to church together (okay, not often). The <a href="http://www.sbc.net/BFM/bfm2000.asp">Baptist Faith and Message</a> establishes what is considered the minimum level of acceptable belief. It presents the least common denominator of Baptist faith. And as it stands the BF&amp;M is a good document. Everything it affirms is right and true. But many topics are left unaddressed, providing freedom for individual Baptists to follow diverse convictions on these issues.</p>
<p>The curse of our diversity is that we also try to over establish uniformity. From a least-common-denominator confession of faith we also have a least-common-denominator body of teaching material through <a href="http://www.lifeway.com/">Lifeway</a>, once known as the Baptist Sunday School Board. Lifeway&#8217;s approach follows that of the Baptist Faith and Message: teach things held in common by all Southern Baptists without crossing into areas of disagreement. This is not an altogether bad approach. As a Calvinist, I would not be happy knowing my money to Lifeway helped pay for material specifically opposing Calvinism. I imagine my non-Calvinist brothers and sisters would be equally appalled if Lifeway started promoting Calvinism.</p>
<p>The problem is with the end result. We wind up with a denomination full of people who have never been trained to go beyond the basics, never trained to dive into Scripture and emerge with rich jewels of truth.</p>
<p>The Lifeway material is fine for what it does, but what it does is not sufficient for the week-in-week-out growth and edification of the people of God. Our people need to be led deeper and further into biblical truth, not dancing around issues where Southern Baptists disagree but confronting those issues head on and emerging with strong convictions about what the Bible says on every subject that it addresses. For Lifeway, the solution might be to offer a variety of material coming from different theological persuasions. Not really a good solution, but I&#8217;m not sure what else they could do. In the meantime, individual churches using Lifeway material will need to go places the material will not go, augmenting the weekly lesson with more time spent in the Bible and less time spent in the Sunday school book. In the end this is the best approach anyway, no matter what material is used.</p>
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		<title>The Decline of Church</title>
		<link>http://www.seektheholy.com/2009/10/23/the-decline-of-church/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 14:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chris Roberts</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Picked this up from David Wayne at Evangel. The following quote comes from Ann Douglas&#8217; book The Feminization of American Culture. For some time, roughly between 1740 and 1820 the rigor exhibited by the Edwardsean ministers seemed representative of the wider culture or at least welcomed by it. Edwardsean theology, however, outlived its popular support. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Picked this up from David Wayne at <a href="http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/2009/10/19th-centur/">Evangel</a>. The following quote comes from Ann Douglas&#8217; book <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0374525587">The Feminization of American Culture</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>For some time, roughly between 1740 and 1820 the rigor exhibited by the Edwardsean ministers seemed representative of the wider culture or at least welcomed by it.  Edwardsean theology, however, outlived its popular support.  In the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries, as in the twentieth, the vast majority of American Christians identified themselves as members of one of the various Protestant groups.  Yet, the differences between the Protestants of, say, 1800 and their descendants of 1875 and after are greater than the similarities.  The everyday Protestant of 1800 subscribed to a rather complicated and rigidly defined body of dogma; attendance at a certain church had a markedly theological function.  By 1875 American Protestants were much more likely to define their faith in terms of family morals, civic responsibility, and above all, in terms of the social function of churchgoing.  Their actual creed was usually a liberal, even a sentimental one for which Edwards and his contemporaries would have felt scorn and horror.  In an analogous way, Protestant churches over the same period shifted their emphasis from a primary concern with the doctrinal beliefs of their members to a preoccupation with numbers.  In ecclesiastical and religious circles, attendance came to count for more than genuine adherence.  Nothing could show better the nineteenth-century Protestant Church’s altered identity as an eager participant in the emerging consumer society than its obsession with popularity and its increasing disregard of intellectual issues.</p></blockquote>
<p>This was written in the 1970&#8242;s. It&#8217;s far more true today.</p>
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		<title>Puritans and the Pulpit</title>
		<link>http://www.seektheholy.com/2009/07/28/puritans-and-the-pulpit/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 19:57:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chris Roberts</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[At any given time I am usually working through three or four books. Among them I always have going at least one book that gives help for pastoral or church ministry. At the moment that book is Light and Heat: The Puritan View of the Pulpit by R. Bruce Bickel. The Puritans saw the pulpit [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At any given time I am usually working through three or four books. Among them I always have going at least one book that gives help for pastoral or church ministry. At the moment that book is <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Light-Heat-Puritan-View-Pulpit/dp/1573580910/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&#038;s=books&#038;qid=1248809807&#038;sr=8-1">Light and Heat: The Puritan View of the Pulpit</a> by R. Bruce Bickel.</p>
<p>The Puritans saw the pulpit as the central part of corporate worship. The preaching of God&#8217;s Word is the principle work of a minister and the central, most important part of a church service. Because of the great gap between the Creator and the creature and our great need for divine truth, it is more important that the assembled believers hear what God has to say than that they speak to God. Prayer and singing certainly have an essential place in church but it is through the expounding of God&#8217;s Word that the people hear from God.</p>
<p>Bickel says the Puritans &#8220;note clearly the progression that begins with God giving the ministry of preaching to His Son, the Son giving the ministry to His apostles, and thence to all ministers of the gospel.&#8221; He then quotes the Puritan Paul Bayne who points out <cite class="bibleref" title="Ephesians 2:17" style="display: none;"></cite><a id="tippy_tip1328610680_3456" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Ephesians%202.17/" target="_blank" class="tippy_link" onmouseover="Tippy.loadTipInfo('&lt;p id=&quot;p49002017.01-1&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;verse-num&quot; id=&quot;v49002017-1&quot;&gt;17&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;And he came and preached peace to you who were far off and peace to those who were near.  (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.esv.org&quot; class=&quot;copyright&quot;&gt;ESV&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;', 0, 0, 'tippy_tip1328610680_3456', event);" onmouseout="Tippy.fadeTippyOut();">Ephesians 2:17</a> which mentions Christ preaching to the Ephesians. Jesus was never in Ephesus so the preaching must have been through Christ&#8217;s messengers, those appointed as ministers of the Word. When those men speak it is as though Christ speaks, as Jesus said in <cite class="bibleref" title="Luke 10:16" style="display: none;"></cite><a id="tippy_tip1328610680_4822" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Luke%2010.16/" target="_blank" class="tippy_link" onmouseover="Tippy.loadTipInfo('&lt;p id=&quot;p42010016.01-1&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;verse-num woc&quot; id=&quot;v42010016-1&quot;&gt;16&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;woc&quot;&gt;&amp;#8220;The one who hears you hears me, and the one who rejects you rejects me, and the one who rejects me rejects him who sent me.&amp;#8221;&lt;/span&gt;  (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.esv.org&quot; class=&quot;copyright&quot;&gt;ESV&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;', 0, 0, 'tippy_tip1328610680_4822', event);" onmouseout="Tippy.fadeTippyOut();">Luke 10:16</a>: &#8220;The one who hears you hears me&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>The Puritan sermon was divided into three parts: Doctrine, Reason, and Use; or Declaration, Explanation, and Application. The sermon always followed a text of Scripture. The first part of the sermon would lay out the doctrinal teaching from the text. The second part would present the argument and respond to objections. The third part would give specific application of the text on the Christian life. Bickel includes a quote from Richard Baxter about the development of a sermon and appeal to the hearer:</p>
<blockquote><p>The preacher&#8217;s aim should be first to convince the understanding and then to engage the heart. Light first, then heat. Begin with a careful opening of the text, then proceed to the clearance of possible difficulties or objections; next, to a statement of uses; and lastly to a fervent appeal for acceptance by conscience and heart.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m only part of the way through the book so there is much more to see and learn, but already my preaching has been challenged. To what degree do we look for light and heat in the pulpit? Are we as preachers really trying to speak in a way that Jesus speaks through us? Are we watering down his message with the world? Are the hearers looking for solid, biblical preaching that unfolds Scripture before them? How much will today&#8217;s congregations tolerate poor preaching?</p>
<p>Brothers, hold me accountable, and preach the Word. Person in the pew, hold your preachers accountable.</p>
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		<title>Sloppy Preaching</title>
		<link>http://www.seektheholy.com/2009/07/07/sloppy-preaching/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 13:45:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chris Roberts</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[One thing that will quickly turn me off to a preacher is if I hear him using facts or information in an imprecise or incorrect manner. I knew one such preacher a few years ago. Just about every sermon contained questionable factual data. In one instance he was talking about a new Muslim place of [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing that will quickly turn me off to a preacher is if I hear him using facts or information in an imprecise or incorrect manner. I knew one such preacher a few years ago. Just about every sermon contained questionable factual data. In one instance he was talking about a new Muslim place of worship in the city, explaining how it was paid for by oil money from tycoons in the Middle East. Evidently some of the people had had enough. Someone called out that it was a Shriner&#8217;s club, not a Muslim mosque. He had a hard time regaining his balance after that correction.</p>
<p>If you are going to claim something in a sermon, be sure it is true.</p>
<p>Dan, one of the <a href="http://teampyro.blogspot.com/">Pyro</a> guys, has written about <a href="http://teampyro.blogspot.com/2009/07/pastordude-please-before-you-say-that.html">the use of Greek and Hebrew</a> in a sermon. His post applies to any facts used while preaching. He says well why we should not say what we do not know:</p>
<blockquote><p>Suppose I choose to draw an illustration from the field of biology, or anatomy, or a physical science, or an historical event. Suppose, further, someone in my audience happens to be well-studied in that field. And suppose he instantly recognizes that I&#8217;m full of beans, that I pulled out some old chestnut that every well-studied ____ist/ian/ologist immediately knows to be an urban myth, or a common but long-since-exploded misconception.</p>
<p>What will he think of my faithfulness? of the seriousness of my intent? of the thoroughness with which I research what I am about to hold out for people&#8217;s trust and acceptance?</p>
<p>He&#8217;ll instantly know I&#8217;m willing to say things of which I haven&#8217;t taken the time to make sure.</p>
<p>And he&#8217;ll wonder — he&#8217;ll have good reason to wonder — how thoroughly I have researched and thought through the other claims I&#8217;m making. He&#8217;ll have good reason to think, &#8220;Okay, I know anatomy, and I know that what he just said is simply beans. But I don&#8217;t know Greek, or theology, or much about the Bible. How do I know whether he knows what he&#8217;s talking about on those subjects, or whether he&#8217;s just as sloppy about them as he was about this?&#8221;</p></blockquote>
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